RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.1 (Or How to break tousands of apps out there)

That follows my sentiment, I think namespace implementation should be fast-tracked before a PHP 6 release to give developers time to modify/adjust their code to work with core object classes. Personally, I think PHP shouldn't have any classes within the global scope, but have them beneath something akin to the System class in Java and C#. Then standardize this System namespace (SPL is a good start) as a place to develop object interfaces to core functionality like the Date class. Then when someone wants to use PHP's date class they can just import it. import System\Date; Now PEAR is let off the hook, as am I and many other developers who have existing classes that will conflict with any core objects in the future. Bob Silva > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcus Boerger [mailto:helly@php.net] > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:28 AM > To: Christian Schneider > Cc: Ilia Alshanetsky; PHP Developers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.1 (Or How to break tousands of apps out > there) > > Hello Christian, > > here again namespaces would be perfect. Given a lib that doesn't prefic > you'd simply d: > > namespace LibNameHere { reqire "some_lib_include"; } > > and be done...wohooo :-) > > regards > marcus > > Friday, November 25, 2005, 2:14:10 PM, you wrote: > > > Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > >> Defining classes/function with generic names will always be a problem > as > >> they may end up conflicting with same constructs from other libraries > or > >> PHP itself. > > > Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that a class named date is > > *known* to cause conflicts. And that the core has a higher > > responsibility than any extension/library/package IMHO. > > >> To design future proof code projects for the most part prefix all their > >> functions/classes to prevent naming conflicts. > > > Had a quick glance at Gallery2 because it was lying around and they > > don't consistently prefix things. Most classes are prefixed but not all > > of them. I'm inclined to believe that's the case for most popular > > packages, let alone everything else. > > >> It makes little sense to have a class called curl_curl, when it comes > to > >> functions the coding standard applied and all functions have a prefix. > > > That's why I wrote "... (at least when a common name like date is > > used)". While Curl is unique enough (although I'd rather have a longer > > name for the sake of a uniform naming scheme) the name date will > > *definitely* be causing problems. We all agree on that I think. > > > The question is only if you shift the responsibility to PHP developers > > (a mere dozen people could decide to change it) or to PHP users > > (thousands, not even aware of the issue). > > > Signing out of this thread with a plea for pragmatism, > > - Chris > > > > > Best regards, > Marcus > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php