Re: PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...)

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM, David Muir <davidkmuir@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 29/10/2014, at 12:43 AM, Julien Pauli <jpauli@php.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Soria Parra <dsp@php.net> wrote: >>> On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>: >>>>> >>>>> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote: >>>>>> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it. >>>>>> They just initially requested it because they didn’t knew any better >>>>>> protocol. That’s all. >>>>> >>>>> PHPStorm like PHP-FIG have their own agendas which do not play well with >>>>> other groups of developers. Just because one thinks an idea is good does >>>>> not mean that everybody else has to adopt it. So what becomes 'main >>>>> stream' has to have common consensus and the voting rules provide that. >>>>> >>>>> When was the vote on this rework taken? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Lester Caine - G8HFL >>>>> ----------------------------- >>>>> Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact >>>>> L.S.Caine Electronic Services - >>>>> http://lsces.co.uk >>>>> EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ >>>>> Model Engineers Digital Workshop - >>>>> http://medw.co.uk >>>>> Rainbow Digital Media - >>>>> http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk >>>> >>>> There wasn’t any vote and there won’t. >>>> >>>> /dev/null likes to listen to your complaints why we should have voted on it. >>> >>> step back a bit here, stay professional, there is no need for passive >>> aggressiveness. >>>> >>>> But now it’s in, let’s rather try to improve what’s there than screaming for >>>> a vote - it won’t help anyone and hinder possible work on improving the current thing. >>> >>> From what I see, the complan is about the initial protocol and not about >>> how to improve it or not. This whole protocol business needed an RFC, >>> which I haven't seen. So we should come up with a good way of deciding >>> which protocol to use and how to implement it. Before this, I would strongly >>> vote to not incldue the current verison in PHP 7 at all. Also let me point >>> out that the code belogns to everyone and everyone will have to deal with it >>> so we better make an informed decision now. >> >> Hello people. >> >> When PHP 5.6 has been released, few weeks/months ago, I explicitely >> stated Ferenc (RMing 5.6 together with me), that *it is not a normal >> thing to have an external domain for phpdbg* >> >> This has never happened before, FWIR > > FYI, PHP-FPM still has a separate website. Yep, this came to my ears recently. I forgot about it. I have nothing against external web site, as soon as the PHP doc is clear, up-to-date and detailed. For phpdbg , this is actually not the case (yet ?), there is WIP however. Julien.P