RE: [PHP-GTK] what is going on with gtk.php.net?

As both Dave and Pablo said - contributions are always welcome. We don't need an advocacy group, we need people that are prepared to spend some time fixing the problems! If you're into writing articles, how about a bunch of tutorials that go a bit beyond 'hello world' that we can xml-ify and add to the manual? erm.. connect() _is_ a function, and the search mechanism _does_ include properties.. (??) Back to work.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel De Gan [mailto:joeldg@gmail.com] > Sent: 15 July 2004 20:33 > To: steph@zend.com > Cc: php-gtk-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-GTK] what is going on with gtk.php.net? > > > As an opensource developer I can relate. > I have a full-time job and can only donate a small amount each day to > working on opensource projects. > I am not attacking the site and saying "why isn't there a php5 version > yet?" because I have actually just ran across one (albeit dated) here: > http://blog.akbkhome.com/blog/categories/2_PHPGTK > > > That 'inability to search for functions' part is actually > completely wrong, > > I was not talking about function searches, I was talking about "entire > site" search which is available on php.net. Not to mention searching > does not work for properties etc.. It is "just" functions. i.e my > example of trying to find info on connect() for a gtkbutton. > > I gave up a long time ago attempting to get any use from the > gtk.php.net documentation and just go to the gtk site instead.. My > point is, people trying to look at php-gtk are being turned away left > and right by the site. > > For an example from a quick google search: > http://www.redsplash.de/blog/archives/20030901.html > > I obviously love php-gtk and have got a lot of people excited to use > it through the tutorials I have written, I am just saying it sucks to > be helping people get into it and then see them get turned off by the > site and watch as they give up on it. > > Anyway, hearing peoples "thoughts" on why they don't want to use it. > My own experiences etc. Perhaps there should be an advocacy group > formed? > > -joeldg > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:09:54 +0100, Steph <steph@zend.com> wrote: > > Hi Joel, > > > > That 'inability to search for functions' part is actually > completely wrong, > > I implemented that well over a year ago. I'll admit it's not > wonderful, but > > it's definitely there! > > > > The wiki is hosted by Manuel Kiessling, I will forward your > comments to him > > if he doesn't pick up on them via the list. But you'll > probably find that > > he is also working long hours and unable to commit a great deal > of his time > > to php.net work at present. I know it's difficult for developers on the > > other side of the fence to comprehend, but everything on > php.net relies on > > the goodwill, spare time and willingness of those involved to drop > > everything else for it. That includes websites, documentation, software > > development and even the underlying server administration. On > a big project > > (like PHP itself) there are a lot of people involved in keeping things > > ticking over, and perhaps 30 or so who give up their entire > social life to > > its needs. On a small project (like PHP-GTK), you need to divide that > > dedicated manpower by 10 or more - and you also need to keep in > mind that > > the development side of this particular project relies on two other OSS > > components being in a useful and stable state. > > > > There's no mention of PHP 5 at all on the PHP-GTK site for the very good > > reason that the PHP-GTK project doesn't use it yet! (There were early > > experiments, but they were dropped because Zend Engine 2's development > > hadn't stablized enough to work with it reliably at that point in time; > > there was never a release at that point.) There is, however, plenty of > > mention of PHP 5 in the SEARCHABLE list archives (via > gtk.php.net), mostly > > from people asking when will PHP-GTK 2 come out. Given that > PHP 5.0.0 is > > not quite 48 hours old at this moment in time - 'nuff said I think. You > > can't build with blocks that aren't even hardened yet. > > > > Back to work.. > > > > - Steph > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joel De Gan [mailto:joeldg@gmail.com] > > > Sent: 15 July 2004 19:19 > > > To: php-gtk-general@lists.php.net > > > Subject: [PHP-GTK] what is going on with gtk.php.net? > > > > > > > > > First, The wiki is totally spammed... > > > http://wiki.gtk.php.net/ > > > > > > No mention of PHP5. At all.. > > > > > > I wrote more on this here: > > > http://blog.peoplesdns.com/node/view/16 > > > > > > In particular no full site search... nothing.. > > > > > > Actually had a junior programmer tell me this morning the reason he > > > "couldn't" use php-gtk was because of the "... sad state of the > > > PHPGTK > > > website and inability to search for functions, plus nothing but links > > > to porn in the wiki so I don't want to waste time working on something > > > that is not maintained." > > > > > > Kind of frustrating when people are dismissing the entire project > > > like that. > > > They see my tutorials ( > > > http://lucifer.intercosmos.net/phpgtk/ and > > > http://lucifer.intercosmos.net/tut/ ) and then send > > > me these emails.. > > > > > > Figured I would pass on the info. > > > -joeldg > > > > > > -- > > > PHP-GTK General Mailing List (http://gtk.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > >