RE: [PHP-DEV] SOAP and BizTalk

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Fredrik Larsson wrote: > >CORBA has allowed windows, dos, unix, macos, whatever to communicate for > >along time. SOAP is new to that. And, taken all previous actions of MS > >into account, they have allways taken a stance of INcompatability, not > >compatability. Ask yourself why then is MS suddenly pushing a "compatable" > >protocol. > Microsoft isn't alone on this one. Sun, IBM and more a behind this. The SOAP > mailinglist is supposed to have about 1000 developers in it. Not all of them > are MS-fans. But they are there to make a difference and they do. If I am > correct the SOAP specification is proposed as a standard (IETF I think) and > that means a bit out of MS hands. It's clear that you like CORBA very much > and for very good reasons to. The more tools we have at our hands the more > important it is. I'm not going to get into the argument about whether or not SOAP support should be added into PHP, but I do question your assertion that, because SOAP is an IETF standard, MS can't co-opt it. Kerberos 5 is a well-established IETF standard; yet Microsoft added Kerberos support to Win2k, and the result, widely discussed in the media, is a Kerberos system that is barely compliant with the RFC... and which requires a Microsoft KDC for best results. For another example, take a look at the history of MS-CHAP. Microsoft is very good at suckering people in with claims of standards compliance, only to have it revealed later that /their/ standards compliance is incompatible with /other vendors'/ standards compliance. Three cheers for innovation. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer