Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:17:56PM -0700, Tommy Pham wrote: > Let's go back to my 1st e-commerce example. The manufacturers list is > about 3,700. The categories is about about 2,400. The products list > is right now at 500,000 and expected to be around 750,000. The site > is only in English. The store owner wants to expand and be I18n: > Chinese, French, German, Korean, Spanish. You see how big and complex > that database gets? The store owners want to have this happens when a > customer clicks on a category: > > * show all subcategories for that category, if any > * show all products for that category, if any, > * show all manufacturers, used as filtering, for that category and > subcategories > * show price range filter for that category > * show features & specifications filter for that category > * show 10 top sellers for that category and related subcategories > * the shopper can then select/deselect any of those filters and > ability to sort by manufacturers, prices, user rating, popularity > (purchased quantity) > * have the ability to switch to another language translation on the fly > * from the moment the shopper click on a link, the response time (when > web browser saids "Done" in the status bar) is 5 seconds or less. > Preferably 2-3 seconds. Will be using stopwatch for the timer. > > Now show me a website that meets those requirements and uses PHP, I'll > be glad to support your argument about PHP w/o threads :) BTW, this > is not even enterprise requirement. I may have another possible > project where # products is over 10 million easily. With similar > requirements when the user click on category. Do you think this site, > which currently isn't, can run on PHP? That strikes me as a pretty stiff target, no matter how you look at it. You effectively want 6 major queries at once, plus response in under 3 seconds on a 750000 row product table. I'm not sure I could produce that kind of performance in C at the command line. (I'm sure some smart guy on the list will say he can do it in 2 seconds flat over a 10 Base 2 network with teletypes and acoustic modems.) Which brings me to my question. Why do people expect console-level performance from a web browser? It's kind of rhetorical, since people want everything they can get and more all the time. But if performance came up as a customer question for me, I'd make it clear that they're not going to get console-level performance from a web browser, unless they want to spend a whole lot more money. Neither the world wide web nor browser software were ever designed primarily with speed in mind. The internet is not your local 64-bit 10 gigabyte memory loaded machine. Paul -- Paul M. Foster