Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 22:42:17 Rene Veerman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Sancar Saran <sancar.saran@evodot.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 March 2010 21:42:53 Tommy Pham wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Sancar Saran <sancar.saran@evodot.com> > > > > wrote: > >> > On Wednesday 24 March 2010 03:17:56 Tommy Pham wrote: > >> >> Let's go back to my 1st e-commerce example. The manufacturers list > >> >> is about 3,700. The categories is about about 2,400. The products > >> >> list is right now at 500,000 and expected to be around 750,000. The > >> >> site is only in English. The store owner wants to expand and be > >> >> I18n: Chinese, French, German, Korean, Spanish. You see how big and > >> >> complex that database gets? The store owners want to have this > >> >> happens when a customer clicks on a category: > >> >> > >> >> * show all subcategories for that category, if any > >> >> * show all products for that category, if any, > >> >> * show all manufacturers, used as filtering, for that category and > >> >> subcategories * show price range filter for that category > >> >> * show features & specifications filter for that category > >> >> * show 10 top sellers for that category and related subcategories > >> >> * the shopper can then select/deselect any of those filters and > >> >> ability to sort by manufacturers, prices, user rating, popularity > >> >> (purchased quantity) > >> >> * have the ability to switch to another language translation on the > >> >> fly * from the moment the shopper click on a link, the response time > >> >> (when web browser saids "Done" in the status bar) is 5 seconds or > >> >> less. Preferably 2-3 seconds. Will be using stopwatch for the timer. > >> >> > >> >> Now show me a website that meets those requirements and uses PHP, > >> >> I'll be glad to support your argument about PHP w/o threads :) BTW, > >> >> this is not even enterprise requirement. I may have another > >> >> possible project where # products is over 10 million easily. With > >> >> similar requirements when the user click on category. Do you think > >> >> this site, which currently isn't, can run on PHP? > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> Tommy > >> > > >> > If you design and code correctly. Yes. > >> > > >> > > >> > If you want to use someting alredy. Try TYPO3. > >> > > >> > PS: Your arguments are something about implementation not something > >> > about platform abilities. You can do this things any server side > >> > programming with enough hardware. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Sancar > >> > >> Platform abilities = PHP with/without threads. > >> Implementation = If PHP has threads, how do I implement it. If not, > >> what work around / hacks do I need to do. > > > > Please forgive my low ability on English and you sound like. > > > > "I can drive a car, if it has a diesel engine and we want Ferrari for our > > need. Is there any way to fit a diesel engine in Ferrari ?" > > > > Your problem isn't php, You problem is your way to think... > > > > You are trying to bend php to fit your way of the building web sites. > > > > I'm sorry, things does not work like that. > > > > You are trying to represent your business logic as "ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE > > STANDARTS". > > > > I'm sorry, it wont ! > > > > Even with provocative subject, it still business logic at large. > > > > On Large Web sites, Site has own standards which enterprise must have to > > obey.. (like Facebook or any other uber number cruncher you name it) > > > > Anyway... > > > > You want to build a damn huge web site with damn huge data set and damn > > huge requests per second. > > > > and you still want to use that SQL for primary data store for reading. > > > > ARE YOU NUTS ??? > > > > With this kind of approach, > > > > You will be in deep trouble with any language, with any Reational SQL > > Server. > > > > If your customers need that kind of thing. You need lots of sophisticated > > people which know how to handle big things under web enviroment. > > > > Good luck to you. > > > > Regards > > how dramatic. > how elitist. > > and btw, use of sql where other solutions (like shared mem and > threading!) is exactly what i'm against. > > if you ppl just stop barracading, you'll see that with relatively > minimal effort php can evolve with the times and make such things > possible for us mere mortals. Alright. Lets think different. And please don't take things personal... If the only problem is threading... Will Python with mod wsgi solve the problem ? with this programming approach ? Regards Sancar...