Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 12:09 -0700, Tommy Pham wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Lind <peter.e.lind@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 25 March 2010 19:37, Tommy Pham <tommyhp2@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote: > >>> Tommy Pham wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote: > >>>>>> * If you could implement threads and run those same queries in 2+ > >>>>>> threads, the total time saved from queries execution is 1/2 sec or > >>>>>> more, which is pass along as the total response time reduced. Is it > >>>>>> worth it for you implement threads if you're a speed freak? > >>>>> > >>>>> Use mysqlnd - asynchronous mysql queries. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> You're assuming that everyone in the PHP world uses MySQL 4.1 or > >>>> newer. What about those who don't? > >>> > >>> They don't get to use threading, nor asynchronous mysql queries. > >>> > >>> Come on, you're asking about a future feature in PHP 7.x , but would > >>> like to support someone who is seriously backlevel on mysql?? > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) > >>> > >> > >> I'm not talking about MySQL 4.0 or older. I'm talking about other > >> RDBMS. I think you should open your eyes a bit wider and take a look > >> at the bigger picture (Firebird, MSSQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, etc). > > > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.pg-send-query.php > > > > Looks to me like the PHP postgresql library already handles that. Not > > to mention: you're not presenting an argument for threads, you're > > presenting an argument for implementing asynchronous queries in the > > other DBMS libraries. > > > > Of course, the problem could also be solved by introducing threads in > > PHP. I'd personally guess modifying DBMS libraries would be less > > costly, but as I haven't been involved in writing the PHP code my > > guess isn't worth much. > > > > Regards > > Peter > > > > I'm presenting the argument for threading. Per is presenting the work > around using asynchronous queries via mysqlnd. I did read that link a > few days ago, "Although the user can send multiple queries at once, > multiple queries cannot be sent over a busy connection. If a query is > sent while the connection is busy, it waits until the last query is > finished and discards all its results." Which sounds like threads -> > multiple connections to not run into that problem. > Wouldn't there still be the same issue though? If several threads of PHP are all trying to connect to to a database that can only handle a finite number of connections, the database must still wait until a query has been pushed off of it's queue before it can process another. As far as I can see, this isn't an issue that can be solved by threading in PHP, but by allowing more concurrent connections in the database. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk