Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

On 24 March 2010 10:38, Rene Veerman <rene7705@gmail.com> wrote: > and if threading and shared memory aren't implemented, then hey, the > php dev team can build something else in that these naysayers DO need > eh... > > lol... Do you have any idea how sad and pathetic you come across? I'm very sorry to say this, but really, now's the time to stop posting and step back, take a deep breath, then focus on something else. > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Rene Veerman <rene7705@gmail.com> wrote: >> unless the actual php development team would like to weigh in on this >> matter of course. >> >> yes, i do consider it that important. >> >> these nay-sayers usually also lobby the dev-team to such extent that >> these features would actually not make it into php. >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Rene Veerman <rene7705@gmail.com> wrote: >>> php is not a hammer, its a programming language. >>> >>> one that i feel needs to stay ahead of the computing trend if it is to >>> be considered a language for large scale applications. >>> >>> but you nay-sayers here have convinced me; i'll be shopping for >>> another language with which to serve my applications and the weboutput >>> they produce.. >>> >>> thanks for opening my eyes and telling to abandon ship in time. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Dallas <stuttle@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Heh, you guys are funny! >>>> >>>> On 24 Mar 2010, at 08:58, Rene Veerman wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote: >>>>>> Rene Veerman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> popular : facebook youtube etc >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rene, I must be missing something here.  That sort of size implies >>>>>> millions in advertising revenue, so why are we discussing how much >>>>>> performance we can squeeze out of a single box?  I mean, I'm all for >>>>>> efficient use of system resources, but if I have a semi-scalable >>>>>> application, it's a lot easier just getting another box than trying to >>>>>> change the implementation language.  OTOH, if my design is not >>>>>> scalable, it's probably also easier to redo it than trying to change >>>>>> the implementation language. >>>>> >>>>> again: >>>>> a) you're determining the contents of my toolset, without it affecting >>>>> you at all. the way you want it php will degrade into a toy language. >>>> >>>> And how exactly are you defining a toy language? If you want features like >>>> threading, why not switch to a language that already supports it? >>>> >>>>> b) i will aim for all possible decreases in development time and >>>>> operating costs during, not only in the grow phase but also in hard >>>>> economic times. any business person knows why. >>>> >>>> Yup, this is very good practice, but deciding that one particular tool is the only >>>> option is a fatal business decision. Use the right tool for the job! >>>> >>>> What you're trying to do here is akin to taking a hammer and whittling a >>>> screwdriver in to the handle. It's ridiculously inefficient, and imo, pretty stupid. >>>> >>>>>>> and you're still trying to impose a toolset on me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't think I was - you're the one who seem to be fixed on PHP >>>>>> as the >>>>>> only solution, and advocating that it be enhanced to suit your >>>>>> purposes. >>>>> >>>>> no, php is just my toolset of choice, and i think it should grow with >>>>> the times and support threading and shared memory. >>>>> maybe even a few cool features to enable use-as-a-cloud. >>>> >>>> PHP is a hammer, and a bloody good one at that, but you seem to want it to be a >>>> tool shed. Accept that it's a hammer, go visit a DIY store, find the right tool for the job and >>>> get on with your life! >>>> >>>> The fact is that even if we all agree that PHP needs threading, and one or more >>>> people start working on putting it into the core, it will likely be many months before you see any >>>> sight of a working version, and even longer before you see a stable release. >>>> >>>> -Stuart >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://stut.net/ >>> >> > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- <hype> WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fake51 BeWelcome: Fake51 Couchsurfing: Fake51 </hype>