Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Stuart Dallas <stuttle@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24 Mar 2010, at 09:36, Rene Veerman wrote: > >> unless the actual php development team would like to weigh in on this >> matter of course. >> >> yes, i do consider it that important. >> >> these nay-sayers usually also lobby the dev-team to such extent that >> these features would actually not make it into php. > > Frankly I don't give a crap whether threading is supported in PHP, it does everything I > need it to do. If I need threading I use a language that supports it, like Python or C++. > > I love the way you call us nay-sayers like it's supposed to be an insult. I follow the > KISS principle to the nth, and as such threading in PHP doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > I'm yet to come across a problem I couldn't solve with pure PHP, but when the need arises > I have no issue mixing in a little C++, Python, Ruby, or whatever, to meet my performance and > scalability goals. I go to the mountain, I don't sit there complaining that the mountain > ain't moving in my direction! > > My opinion, and that of most others who've weighed in, is that you're almost > certainly looking at the problem from the wrong angle. What you haven't done is explicitly > explain why you want threading to be supported. Give us a real example of why you think it should be > supported and I guarantee we can come up with a way to get you what you want without requiring > massive changes to the core of your chosen tool. And if we can't then you may actually convince > us that threading would be a valuable feature to have available.. I did give a real life example, ie e-commerce site mentioned earlier. Amazon has the similar features of my example except they have about 30 million products without (i18n). Their I18n is different web server & db & site layout which is completely different from my example. Setting I18n aside, having the same features as my example with about 30 million products to response in about 3 seconds is very good. Even though my example only have about 750,000 products, the translations for the requested languages makes it into 750,000 * 6 = 4,500,000 rows of product descriptions. This is e-commerce site not a data warehouse/mining. What would happen then if the site has over 20,000,000 product skus with similar language translations for the descriptions? 20,000,000 * 6 = ... big number to me... > > You mentioned Facebook as an example of a popular application. Are you aware that they only > recently started using their compiler in production, and that prior to that they were happily > running PHP to serve their front end without ever complaining that it didn't support threading? > Even now, with hip-hop, individual requests are served in a single thread, so the language itself > still doesn't support threading, and I don't hear them complaining that it's costing > them a fortune. Why? Because it's not. And if it was they would have added it by now. > > One final thing... if threading is this important to you, then I'm sure there are a number > of developers who would happily add it in a fork of the core for suitable compensation. Once > implemented it's possible the internals team would accept it for addition to the official > version. If you really believe it has the potential to save you a butt-load of cash, the economics > of paying for it should stack up. > > Oh, and feel free to escalate this to anyone you please. Nobody cares. Threading has been > discussed before, both on this list and on internals (Google can tell you all about it), and every > time it's been dismissed because the cost-benefit calculations just don't add up. > >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Rene Veerman <rene7705@gmail.com> wrote: >>> php is not a hammer, its a programming language. >>> > > And bravo on the metaphor appreciation failure. Love it! > > -Stuart > > -- > http://stut.net/ > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >