Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

Tommy Pham wrote: > The company started small. As their business grows because they have > products & services that do not exist in the marketplace, their > hardware are already growing along side with it, (load balancers, > clusters). So then your solution is buy bigger/more boxes? What if > the their server room is filled and already using recent hardware. Same answer - buy a bigger box (i.e. serverroom). I would certainly also start a redesign from the ground up, but to solve the immediate problem, get more hardware. > Their current business needs doesn't need to move to a bigger > building. What then? Hire data center's services? What if they want > to protect their proprietary break through products and services? Rent space and maybe hardware. That's what most businesses do. > What about unnecessary additional total cost of ownership (licenses, > power consumption, etc...) for more/bigger boxes, even if they have > available space, that could be avoided by just implementing threads? If you believe threading is such a silver bullet, I really think you need to reconsider. This business has already invested in more hardware to satisfy demand, so the application has some scalability - presumably achieved by running multiple processes. Threads have some advantages over processes, but when your design doesn't take that into account anyway, why do you need threads? [snip] > In summary, you're saying that PHP can not grow/evolve with > business right? Certainly not. PHP is just a language, like most other programming languages, it doesn't grow nor does it evolve a lot. (the OOP paradigm is an example of where PHP evolved). I'm saying that a back-of-a-fag-packet design won't grow nor evolve very well, and its inevitable shortcomings will not be solved by bolting on "threading". > If the company started small and want to use available open source > solutions, then grow quickly because of their unique and quality > products and services, and become enterprise level with-in a few > years, what then? Slow down business growth just so that IT can > migrate everything to another language? Of all the enterprise > applications I've seen, they used threads. Tommy, that's not about the language, that's a design issue. Run PHP in multiple processes, and you've got the parallelism you seem to seek. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.8°C)