Re: Re: Protect PHP coding

Hello, On 08/04/2002 06:06 PM, Maxim Maletsky wrote:

Anyway, Zend is not doing intentionally many things that I think they should do. So, I really do not have to simpathize with their

decisions. So, I guess we all need to ask Zeev for the reason why can't those extensions be added to PHP distributions.

Usually lame excuses. You'd better read the original threads in PHP-DEV and judge by yourself.

That is even more stupid because basically you are killing the

messenger

just because he did not bring you only the good news . Many of his

ideas

are plain right regardless how he may have exposed them.

Maybe some ideas made sense, but many were senseless. The main reason he gained our antipathy was how he expressed himself.

He was not trying to be nice with anybody. He was justifying his statements with very good and valid points that you were trying to void with the excuse that you did not like his tone. It seems like you want to avoid the subjects.

It seems that some people just feel that the only right thing to do is to s*ck for Zend and do not want to admit any criticisms.

And you seem to be following Acer's example in the preceding line...

Maybe I am. In that case don't you wonder why could more than one person be bringing attention to the same points as faults in PHP development? Don't you ever consider that the points could actually very valid but you are avoiding them with unrelated motives?

Zend is a company that supports PHP commercially and, we definitely have no reasons to s*ck for Zend.

When somebody insistently defends Zend posture and business, don't you think it is reasonable for us to think that you may have your reasons to s*ck for Zend? It could be the wrong impression but that is the one that you are passing.

Why do you think that will happen?

Because this thread tries to make it happen right now. Evolution, Manuel.

I don't seen any evolution. People that are keys to the issues like Rasmus are ducking as if they have nothing to do with PHP evolution!

I don't have a problem with Zend business as long as they don't stand

in

front of PHP development. PHP needs free caching and compiling alternatives because not everybody can afford Zend prices. While that does not happen, PHP development will be stuck due to Zend business interests.

Again. We should be asking Zeev why he objected the introduction of compiler and cache extensions to PHP distributions.

You may try, but he always avoid the subject because admiting Open Source alternatives to their commercial products to be shipped in PHP is bad for their business. That is natural. What is odd is that other core PHP Group developers are passively admiting it. It sure looks like they agree with favouring Zend products by not permitting that free alternatives get any exposure.

That is one more reason to not boycott the integration of the free alternatives in PHP, but it seems has the PHP groups under absolute control.

Well, some organization rules are there, though, I do not think things are THAT corrupted in PHP Development Group. PHP is still Open Source, remember?

Gee... if only I could tell all that I know about Zend and corruption... too bad I can't, at least not in public forum...

Manuel, as my conclusion I will say - Zend is not PHP's god-father, it is a related company, a project's partner. They make their living and it is quite irrelevant to PHP Development. If there are packages that are not introduced to PHP only because of the partnership then let's follow this question on PHP-DEV list.

Uh-oh, I guess you are not aware that Zeev bans people from PHP-DEV when they start bringing inconvinient threads that do not interest their business. -- Regards, Manuel Lemos