Re: Re: Protect PHP coding

Hello, On 08/04/2002 07:05 PM, Maxim Maletsky wrote:

Usually lame excuses. You'd better read the original threads in

PHP-DEV

and judge by yourself.

Why do I need excuses?

Not you, I meant Zeev presents lame excuses to avoid the subject of accepting an Open Source cache extension in PHP. At that time, other PHP Group core developers remain conviniently quiet.

He was not trying to be nice with anybody. He was justifying his statements with very good and valid points that you were trying to

void

with the excuse that you did not like his tone. It seems like you want to avoid the subjects.

Me personally? Glad to disappoint you - I am still discussing it, not avoiding :-) Silly...

What I meant is that when you claim the tone of the discussions is not pleaseant according to yourself it is as if the points being presented become void.

I don't seen any evolution. People that are keys to the issues like Rasmus are ducking as if they have nothing to do with PHP evolution!

Manuel, what are you accusing the developers for?

Being passive and letting Zeev boycott the contribution of an Open Source cache extension to avoid the harm cause by his business.

You may try, but he always avoid the subject because admiting Open Source alternatives to their commercial products to be shipped in PHP

is

bad for their business. That is natural. What is odd is that other

core

PHP Group developers are passively admiting it. It sure looks like

they

agree with favouring Zend products by not permitting that free alternatives get any exposure.

I wonder who else thinks so besides you and Acer. Raise your hands.

At this point of the thread you will hardly see anybody raising hands because all those that have spoken have been slammed.

Gee... if only I could tell all that I know about Zend and

corruption...

too bad I can't, at least not in public forum...

Then tell it, isn't it what you are doing here right now?

No, this is more serious subject that I can't talk about first because it does not envolve me and I did not learn the information from first hand and second because I was trusted in secret to not tell what I was told. I wish I could because what I was told would reveal the real Zeev Suraski that you do not seem to know. Sorry, that's all I can say. Please don't insist.

Uh-oh, I guess you are not aware that Zeev bans people from PHP-DEV

when

they start bringing inconvinient threads that do not interest their business.

Zeev, is it so?

Oh, you don't know? Some time ago, after I made an invitation to any developers interested to cooperate in the development of an Open Source compiler/cache extension for PHP, Zeev Suraski silently banned my address from the PHP-DEV mailing list. When I noticed I complained in PHP-PEAR-DEV because we were discussion the merger of Metabase (that you know I developed) with PEAR-DB. Immediately Stig Bakken apologised in the name of the PHP Group for the ban. Only them Zeev came up and tried to justify his abuse of power that he did by banning one individual without even telling the other PHP developers. This is why I regret that some of you still s*ck for Zeev Suraski as you obviously do not know how far this "ditactor" can go.

Manuel, I think you are accusing here too much. I do understand your points about adding these extensions, and, I personally agree with you on this. But, one thing you should (MUST) remember is that, you use FREE CODE people you blame created for you. Please more respect, Manuel Lemos.

I may disagree with many PHP developers and respect most, but for obvious reasons I do not respect power abusing individuals like Zeev Suraski and I am sorry for all those that naively sing his dictator song. -- Regards, Manuel Lemos