RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

> If you really need evidence I am presenting you now the message where > Zeev admits that he banned my address without prior consultation of > other PHP developers. Just on minor correction, the message was not > posted to PHP-DEV but rather copied to the PHP group. Because of my > mistake, now I realize I still some people don't see the power abusing > dictator that Zeev Suraski is. > > Just a few comments. You may also want to read this message from Stig > Bakken apologising in the name of PHP Group for the mistake that Zeev > made even before he was aware that it was actually Zeev that did it. > > http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.dev&article=%3C1012914625.3227 2. > 19.camel%40blackbush.trondheim.fast.no%3E I also found Sterling missing you adding some of your "best" posts. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=manuel+group:mailing.www.php-dev&hl=en &lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=a3v4fd%2429ct%241%40FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw&rnum=1 One thing I noticed reading your emails was how you were representing your thoughts. Sorry for saying that, but you often sounded mean, and, as everywhere else, lack of self-moderation can cause rush reactions from "above". It is yet not clear to me whether you were "right but mean", or you were "wrong but persistent" - only 1 of 10 discussions you participated in excluded aggressiveness while defending your points of view. Frankly saying, I think you should be more acceptive when your proposals get denied (for whatever reasons). > I also regret that the PHP Group has to be dragged by the dirt that Zeev > has been creating, but the truth is that they are passively allowing > Zeev to do whatever he wants even without prior consultation. I am > afraid that while they don't get rid of the stain that is Zeev's act > they will always suffer from passively supporting him. My reason to support Zeev is nothing else but the respect for his contribution to PHP. PHP, besides being my language of choice and many years passion also fits my upcoming family. I find it sad hearing saying you that about Zeev. > As you may see in this message you may notice that while Zeev first > appologises to the group, right after he insults the intelligence of all > the members of the PHP group stating that he has the whole right to ban > whoever he wants without prior consultation. This means basically that > the whole PHP Groups "obeys and shut up" before Zeev Suraski command. It > is very sad that the whole Open Source spirit of cooperation and respect > is being wasted by the "dictator" Zeev Suraski. :-( If you say that Zeev is a dictator then, you know, we are not judges here... I still think it is your own opinion and will not try to prove you wrong, it is what 599 other developers should do. So, if this is that important to you, then get lots of proves and fight yourself against Zeev. Regardless the result of your fight, I will still be contributing and praising PHP along with its all key developers for as long as I program in it. I am sorry, Manuel, but with all my respect to you - I personally see this thread as your personal disagreement with the project's management based on the experience you had. And, I'd like to stop it at this very point. P.S: I think the only relevant topic remained is whether PHP can include these extensions for caching and compiling source files. That is what we all are for on this mailing list. (actually, even not this one) All the best, Maxim Maletsky > Sorry for the inconviniences, > Manuel Lemos > > > > > Received: from mail.acm.org ([199.222.69.4]) > > by giannott.uol.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA11850 > > for <manuellemos@uol.com.br>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 06:42:13 -0200 > (BRST) > > Received: from mail.zend.com (cvs.zend.com [194.90.96.36]) > > by mail.acm.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA81120 > > for <mlemos@acm.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 03:40:47 -0500 > > Received: (qmail 2963 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 08:40:45 -0000 > > Received: from localhost (HELO zeev-laptop.zend.com) (127.0.0.1) > > by localhost with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 08:40:45 -0000 > > Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020207102439.07448fc8@localhost> > > X-Sender: zeev@localhost > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 > > Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:28:52 +0200 > > To: Manuel Lemos <mlemos@acm.org> > > From: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP list server is banning mlemos@acm.org > > [Fwd:Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido]] > > Cc: group@php.net, Sterling Hughes <sterling@bumblebury.com> > > In-Reply-To: <3C61FCA7.322E784E@acm.org> > > References: <3C5F2A5C.90AB86AA@acm.org> > > <1012914625.32272.19.camel@blackbush.trondheim.fast.no> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > At 06:03 AM 2/7/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: > >>Hello, > >> > >>"Stig S. Bakken" wrote: > >> > > >> > Yes, someone banned your email address from lists.php.net (fixed now). > >> > > >> > Personally, I find it completely unacceptable that someone goes ahead > >> > just banning people just like that. On behalf of the PHP Group, I > would > >> > like to offer you an apology for this. > >> > >>Apologies accepted because I don't think the whole PHP Group would agree > >>on such immature and coward attitude to ban me or whoever from this any > >>other list. > > > > Just FYI, it was me, and I'm still working towards moving forward with > this > > ban in a formal way. Your existence on this list has caused real code > > contributors to sign off and quite a few others to consider it, and > > frankly, that's not worth it. Just because you have an elephant's skin, > > infinite patience and absolutely no tact, does not mean you can abuse an > > open list like php-dev the way you do. > > > > I apologize(d) to the group@ for doing it without consulting/notifying > > first, but given the background, I don't believe you deserve any sort of > an > > apology. You have only yourself to thank. > > > > I'll keep you posted as to if/when you get officially blocked from > > php-dev. I understood you're actually contributing on pear-dev, so > we'll > > try to differentiate between the two. > > > > Zeev > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php