Re: Re: Protect PHP coding

On 08/04/2002 07:56 PM, Maxim Maletsky wrote:

Aya yay, Manuel.... So this is your personal revenge... Not nice of you ...

Get your facts straight. I will be disappointed with your (lack) intelligence if you judge me from comments of people that are also not aware of the facts. The PHP-DEV archives are public. Read for

yourself.

This thread is about protecting PHP scripts and many people does not want pay the fortunes that Zend is charging. Those people decided that by themselves regardless of my oppinion of Zeev.

OK, we might not be aware of the facts. I know you, Manuel, for some time and will take the responsibility to apologize if I find you right in this whole deal. But, till now, I only saw you offending. Point me to the list archives that justify you and prove the dictatorship of Zeev.

Maxim, one thing that I can assure you is that I don't lie, even less in a serious matter like this. If you really need evidence I am presenting you now the message where Zeev admits that he banned my address without prior consultation of other PHP developers. Just on minor correction, the message was not posted to PHP-DEV but rather copied to the PHP group. Because of my mistake, now I realize I still some people don't see the power abusing dictator that Zeev Suraski is. Just a few comments. You may also want to read this message from Stig Bakken apologising in the name of PHP Group for the mistake that Zeev made even before he was aware that it was actually Zeev that did it. http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.dev&article=%3C1012914625.32272.19.camel%40blackbush.trondheim.fast.no%3E I also would like to apologise to Andi Gutmans because sometimes mention Zend when in fact I should say Zeev. Andi has always been very polite and professional especially when compared with Zeev. It would be unfair to attribute all the harm that Zeev had been causing to PHP development and to individuals like myself (to not mention the others also boycotted by Zeev) to everybody that works at Zend when the only one to be blamed is Zeev. I also regret that the PHP Group has to be dragged by the dirt that Zeev has been creating, but the truth is that they are passively allowing Zeev to do whatever he wants even without prior consultation. I am afraid that while they don't get rid of the stain that is Zeev's act they will always suffer from passively supporting him. As you may see in this message you may notice that while Zeev first appologises to the group, right after he insults the intelligence of all the members of the PHP group stating that he has the whole right to ban whoever he wants without prior consultation. This means basically that the whole PHP Groups "obeys and shut up" before Zeev Suraski command. It is very sad that the whole Open Source spirit of cooperation and respect is being wasted by the "dictator" Zeev Suraski. :-( In this matter things are really even worse than this but I am afraid I can't disclose all that I know about other power abuses of Zeev Suraski as I was not the subject of the harm that he has caused. Sorry for the inconviniences, Manuel Lemos

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:03 AM 2/7/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote:

Hello, "Stig S. Bakken" wrote:

Yes, someone banned your email address from lists.php.net (fixed now). Personally, I find it completely unacceptable that someone goes ahead just banning people just like that. On behalf of the PHP Group, I would like to offer you an apology for this.

Apologies accepted because I don't think the whole PHP Group would agree on such immature and coward attitude to ban me or whoever from this any other list.

Just FYI, it was me, and I'm still working towards moving forward with this ban in a formal way. Your existence on this list has caused real code contributors to sign off and quite a few others to consider it, and frankly, that's not worth it. Just because you have an elephant's skin, infinite patience and absolutely no tact, does not mean you can abuse an open list like php-dev the way you do. I apologize(d) to the group@ for doing it without consulting/notifying first, but given the background, I don't believe you deserve any sort of an apology. You have only yourself to thank. I'll keep you posted as to if/when you get officially blocked from php-dev. I understood you're actually contributing on pear-dev, so we'll try to differentiate between the two. Zeev