Re: Re: Protect PHP coding

Hello, On 08/04/2002 07:43 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

Not you, I meant Zeev presents lame excuses to avoid the subject of accepting an Open Source cache extension in PHP. At that time, other PHP Group core developers remain conviniently quiet.

Maybe, just maybe, the whole history of how APC came about would be illuminating to people... especially how it relates to the Zend Cache (as it was called then). At the core is the question, how well and how much should you trust someone who ignores a NDA? Do people know that CC was actually *beta testing* the Zend Cache, under NDA. And less than 1 month after they stopped testing the Cache, APC was announced and released to the world? Does that sound like a weird thing to people? Using a sneak peak in such a devious way? And then to wrap such behavior up in the cloak of "Open Source" and "free for all." And I better not hear anyone question by standing on Open Source in all this... I will ignore such clueless responses.

Jim, just one question, if somebody broke a NDA, where is the lawsuit that would have happened? APC code is public. Did anybody demonstrate that it was developed with code or knowledge acquired during Zend Cache beta-testing? Although I have nothing to do with APC matters, all I can see is just suspects, no facts. You assume that somebody broke a NDA because a similar product was released some time after a beta-testing period of Zend cache. The version that I heard is that Zend wanted an absurd ammount of money for using the cache in a cluster and since CC refused to pay that much money, Zend CEO challenged them to develop a cache for free. And they did! What else would Zend expect? It is not that difficult to develop a good PHP cache extension. Oh, another question: there are two other free PHP cache engines. At least one (PHPA) is better then APC. If your problem in not accepting APC because you do not trust somebody that is a suspect of breaking a NDA, how about accepting PHPA as an Open Source contribution to PHP? After all PHPA was adopted by Yahoo. They got the source. Some time I asked and Nick said he was willing to contribute if PHP group was open to accept his contribution. So, what do you say, are you interested or are you going to continue to protect Zend commercial interests? If you do not answer he can assume the last option from you. -- Regards, Manuel Lemos