Re: Re: Protect PHP coding

Hello, On 08/05/2002 11:29 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

Not you, I meant Zeev presents lame excuses to avoid the subject of accepting an Open Source cache extension in PHP. At that time, other PHP Group core developers remain conviniently quiet.

Maybe, just maybe, the whole history of how APC came about would be illuminating to people... especially how it relates to the Zend Cache (as it was called then). At the core is the question, how well and how much should you trust someone who ignores a NDA? Do people know that CC was actually *beta testing* the Zend Cache, under NDA. And less than 1 month after they stopped testing the Cache, APC was announced and released to the world? Does that sound like a weird thing to people? Using a sneak peak in such a devious way? And then to wrap such behavior up in the cloak of "Open Source" and "free for all." And I better not hear anyone question by standing on Open Source in all this... I will ignore such clueless responses.

Jim, just one question, if somebody broke a NDA, where is the lawsuit that would have happened? APC code is public. Did anybody demonstrate that it was developed with code or knowledge acquired during Zend Cache beta-testing?

Maybe because such a (justified) suit would have looked very very bad

Jim, look what you are saying, you say that made a company sign a NDA to decide later to not enforce it with a law suit? Something is not very well explained here.

to Zend, and clueless boneheads would have seen it as an attempt to "stop an open source alternative" rather than a cut-and-dried legal matter. Zend always knew and expected that open source alternatives would exist (if not, then there's no "market" for a product). But if you think that whereas the 2 main authors and architects of the Zend Engine took *several* months to create the Cache, developing, testing, tuning, and some "other guys" were able to do the same thing in a month makes logical sense, well,... so be it.

Jim, that is a ridiculous claim, I know very well that a cache engine is basically just serialization of Zend OPCodes to shared memory. That does not take more than a month for *ONE* good C developer to write. I know because I studied the problem. Nick Lindrige even claimed that his cache only took a week to develop. What came after was just tuning. You do not need to beta test Zend Cache to know that. Zend engine sources are public and that is all that you need to study the problem. Either you don't know that it does not take a month to write a cache engine or you are trying to deceive everybody without real evidence that APC people really broke the NDA. Anyway, what advantage APC people gained by beta testing Zend Cache that they would not have just by looking at Zend engine sources? -- Regards, Manuel Lemos