RE: [PHP] Why PHP ?

We all now that, huh? Again, WHY does it suck? What's wrong with VBScript? It is VBScript, not Visual Basic that ASP uses, but remember you can also use PerlScript, JScript or any other language you want (as long as there's a scripting module for it). You could probably even use PHP, if you had the desire to write your own module. But what's important here, I think, is providing specific examples of why one should choose PHP over ASP/VBScript or whatever. So let's get down to nuts and bolts and specific examples. -Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Kurth Bemis [mailto:kurth@usaexpress.net] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 3:38 PM To: Jeff Demel; JB; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Why PHP ? At 03:34 PM 12/9/2000 -0600, Jeff Demel wrote: does anyone ever mention tha ASP isn't a language itself - as php is...ASP is a variant of Visual Basic.......and we all know that visual basic sucks :-) ~kurth >There is nothing in your reply that would convince anyone to use PHP over >anything else. The question is "Why PHP?" > >You say that ASP is limited. Fine. HOW is it limited? In what ways >specifically? What does ASP not do that PHP or some other scripting >language can? You mention that ASP has performance and stability issues, >and that's difficult to accuse a language of, as I'm sure you're well aware. >Most often those issues are a result of poor coding. However, that's not to >say that your assertion is wrong, it's just not backed by any evidence. >Where are the numbers to prove stability issues, and where are some specific >examples showing the "limitations" of ASP and how PHP overcomes them. That >would be valuable. > >Paying for support is an interesting argument; however, I think you miss the >fact that there are tons of free support sites, news groups, and email lists >for ASP, just as there are for PHP. The monetary downfall of ASP resides >more with the outrageous up-front and ongoing costs of the platform than >with support. > >I hope I'm not being too harsh, but I think the question is a really good >one, and I would like some legitimate responses with specific and detailed >examples. Opinion is a fine thing, but when trying to make a business case >for using a programming language and/or environment, specifics are needed. > >The stance of management folks is almost always that "we'll go with >Microsoft, unless you can convince us otherwise." So from the beginning >it's a battle. I would really like some good ammunition, and not just more >opinions and anecdotes. > >-Jeff > > >-----Original Message----- >From: JB [mailto:jbeebe@aimsmarketing.com] >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:30 AM >To: php-general@lists.php.net >Subject: Re: [PHP] Why PHP ? > > >Why would you want to use such a platform limited language like asp? >especially considering it's performace, stability, and capabilities less >than php. microsoft repeatedly reinvents a poorer version of the wheel. it's >the politics that surround the tech biz that always give MS an edge. >Besides... who wants to pay for support for ASP? =) JSP is good from what >I've seen, though it still has some growing up to do. Don't waste your time >with VB scripting, unless you wanna do some asp, which is unadvised. all of >the languages work well, thats not the question at hand. but php seems to be >best bet right now. you didn't mention anything about python, now that could >be something that might take off in a big way. python is extremely clean, >stable, super fast, concise, highly portable and is the textbook example of >modulization/object oriented programming. unfortunately i haven't dove into >it much yet, but i'm pretty impressed so far. of course i'd still code php >over python, but it is something to look at and get your own opinion of. the >other languages you mentioned i would stick away from. but you are asking >this question in a php list, so you're not gonna get a real unbiased opinion >=). i know the MS lackies in the asp lists probably talk a lot of smack >about php. tell them to go to hotscriptscom and they can see that maybe >there's a lot more people that know php is superior in many ways. there's a >handful of asp stuff there (basically everything on the web you can find). >but for php there's a few thousand handfuls of code, tutorials, reference, >etc. if someone could ever show me some real life reasons where another >language is better, i'd be the first to switch. but i think with thousands >of minds focusing on developing a kick ass language it will be hard to >out-class php any time soon. > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net Kurth Bemis - Network/Systems Administrator, USAExpress.net/Ozone Computer People disagree with me. 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