Re: Why PHP ?

ASP is not a variant of VBScript. VBScript is simply a language that you can use with ASP. You can also use JavaScript within ASP. It all depends on your preference. Although I have never seen anyone use JavaScript within ASP, so I couldn't tell you how well it integrates. I don't have any specific numbers or specific arguments to show that PHP is superior to ASP. All I really have is the opinion of an ASP developer (by day) and a PHP advocate and developer (by night -- hobbies and contract). The one thing that PHP has over VB/ASP is that it is specifically designed *for the web*. VB was not designed for the web... is has been adapted for use on the web. As with most languages used in web development these days... they have been adapted for web development. PHP was designed from the ground up to deliver dynamic web pages. That's it's purpose. Because of this, it makes web development in PHP much more intuitive and productive than other languages. Again, this is just my opinion without any hard facts to back me up. Just expirience and a little knowledge. -Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurth Bemis" <kurth@usaexpress.net> To: "Jeff Demel" <jdlists@iglue.com>; "JB" <jbeebe@aimsmarketing.com>; <php-general@lists.php.net> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Why PHP ? > At 03:34 PM 12/9/2000 -0600, Jeff Demel wrote: > > does anyone ever mention tha ASP isn't a language itself - as php is...ASP > is a variant of Visual Basic.......and we all know that visual basic sucks :-) > > ~kurth > > >There is nothing in your reply that would convince anyone to use PHP over > >anything else. The question is "Why PHP?" > > > >You say that ASP is limited. Fine. HOW is it limited? In what ways > >specifically? What does ASP not do that PHP or some other scripting > >language can? You mention that ASP has performance and stability issues, > >and that's difficult to accuse a language of, as I'm sure you're well aware. > >Most often those issues are a result of poor coding. However, that's not to > >say that your assertion is wrong, it's just not backed by any evidence. > >Where are the numbers to prove stability issues, and where are some specific > >examples showing the "limitations" of ASP and how PHP overcomes them. That > >would be valuable. > > > >Paying for support is an interesting argument; however, I think you miss the > >fact that there are tons of free support sites, news groups, and email lists > >for ASP, just as there are for PHP. The monetary downfall of ASP resides > >more with the outrageous up-front and ongoing costs of the platform than > >with support. > > > >I hope I'm not being too harsh, but I think the question is a really good > >one, and I would like some legitimate responses with specific and detailed > >examples. Opinion is a fine thing, but when trying to make a business case > >for using a programming language and/or environment, specifics are needed. > > > >The stance of management folks is almost always that "we'll go with > >Microsoft, unless you can convince us otherwise." So from the beginning > >it's a battle. I would really like some good ammunition, and not just more > >opinions and anecdotes. > > > >-Jeff > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: JB [mailto:jbeebe@aimsmarketing.com] > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:30 AM > >To: php-general@lists.php.net > >Subject: Re: [PHP] Why PHP ? > > > > > >Why would you want to use such a platform limited language like asp? > >especially considering it's performace, stability, and capabilities less > >than php. microsoft repeatedly reinvents a poorer version of the wheel. it's > >the politics that surround the tech biz that always give MS an edge. > >Besides... who wants to pay for support for ASP? =) JSP is good from what > >I've seen, though it still has some growing up to do. Don't waste your time > >with VB scripting, unless you wanna do some asp, which is unadvised. all of > >the languages work well, thats not the question at hand. but php seems to be > >best bet right now. you didn't mention anything about python, now that could > >be something that might take off in a big way. python is extremely clean, > >stable, super fast, concise, highly portable and is the textbook example of > >modulization/object oriented programming. unfortunately i haven't dove into > >it much yet, but i'm pretty impressed so far. of course i'd still code php > >over python, but it is something to look at and get your own opinion of. the > >other languages you mentioned i would stick away from. but you are asking > >this question in a php list, so you're not gonna get a real unbiased opinion > >=). i know the MS lackies in the asp lists probably talk a lot of smack > >about php. tell them to go to hotscriptscom and they can see that maybe > >there's a lot more people that know php is superior in many ways. there's a > >handful of asp stuff there (basically everything on the web you can find). > >but for php there's a few thousand handfuls of code, tutorials, reference, > >etc. if someone could ever show me some real life reasons where another > >language is better, i'd be the first to switch. but i think with thousands > >of minds focusing on developing a kick ass language it will be hard to > >out-class php any time soon.