Re: RE: Zend +Paypal = PEAR::SOAP??

On 6/23/05, George Schlossnagle <george@omniti.com> wrote: > > On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Davey Shafik wrote: > > > > I'm sure Zend had the courtesy to tell Paypal about this before > > making it public. We are just asking for this same courtesy. > > Paypal is a corporate entity, PEAR isn't. Paypal owns the rights to > it's trademarks (including it's name), PEAR doesn't. The > relationship described is between Paypal and Zend. The PEAR > committee has nothing to do with it, and PEAR as some sort of > generic, non-incorporated entity only slightly more. > > If Zend owed anyone involved a nod it would be the maintainers of the > package. If Shane feels wronged, then I'll stick behind him, but > until he stands up and says he is so (and Shane is more than capable > of standing up for himself) then I think your comments are out of place. > You're forgetting here that PEAR is not just a committee (in fact I rarely if ever see it as such), it's a community. Most of us think of PEAR as "ours" in some sense and we like to know what's happening with it. PHPClasses or hotscripts is a different matter. Those are just collection places for anything. PEAR is a group of people working toward an ideal and each person becomes a part of that as they join. Just because we don't have a trademark doesn't mean that we should be left out of any decisions / news. A quick e-mail to the PEAR group or PEAR-dev list about this article would have not only been prudent but the right thing to do. Simply the fact that we're having this discussion is proof of that. *We* (and by we I mean the community of developers that is PEAR) feel slighted here not to have been included. A quick note from Chuck would even have been enough. I would also like to say that while it is true that each package has its own maintainers and that those maintainers have nearly complete autonomy, There is still the PEAR-QA group and the entire group of PEAR developers to answer to. If one of us sees something in another package which can be better or is failing to meet standards we say so. In addition, if a package is left unmaintained we have a duty to deal with it. Usually this means that someone (in the QA group if no one else) deals with any major bugs and such. This, also, makes us more of a community, unlike phpclasses or hotscripts. -- Justin Patrin