Re: Plans for pear.php.net

Hello, On 09/24/2002 01:39 PM, Björn Schotte wrote:

Manuel, please consider that your ideas could be *bad* (and therefore not be chosen), as one should always do. Please, only consider it and then think about it again.

Bjorn, your greatest problem is that you systematically underestimate my real world experience on the subject and completely ignore that what I

Yes, because I think that you systematically *OVER*estimate your real world experience and in the same second you are *UNDER*estimating the experience of other people.

I don't measure experience with opinions, only with facts. If I tried something that worked well, that is an irrefutable fact. If you tried something and it did not work, chances are that you need to improve your methods, which does not mean that the solution does not work at all. If it did not work, you need to understand exactly why, not make wild-guesses that are not certain and assume they are necessarily right.

Look at the HOF example: you experienced that it would help (I believe you) in a or in some special cases on your web site(s) and I experienced that it wouldn't help in a case within one of my web sites. There are X people that made the same experience as you and there are Y people that made the same experience as me.

Bjorn, I did not invent anything I applied principles of basic human needs that are well known and learned in any marketing school. Humans are not all alike but there are patterns of behaviour that make certain attitudes easily predictable. It would probably take a long while to explain what are those needs and how their were addressed with a HOF to reach a useful goal.

am suggestion is based on simple principles of sucessful marketing techniques that I happened to have sucessfully experienced.

<ironic> I suggest you should go and learn a bit more about successful online marketing techniques. For the first steps I think you should carefully read the following web sites: clickz.com, marketingprofs.com, useit.com, cnet.com, zdnet.com, emailsherpa.com, sethgodin.com, the Cluetrain manifest, Anne Holland's SherpaBlog at http://sherpablog.blogspot.com/, o-a.com etc. </ironic>

The irony is on you because you read all the theory and could not put in practice. In contrast, not only I put it in practice, but I also did it without a budget, meaning no money was envolved. This is why I say that if you do it right you can make HOF work in a free software project like PHP bug handling.

My real problem is that I still bother to reply to people like you that insist on giving no credit to my suggestions assuming that you know me

Manuel, I give credits to your suggestions. But obviously, in the *special* case of *.php.net some suggestions are really bad ideas. Sorry to say that, but I think so.

I don't mind your opinion. I don't care about opinions when there are clear facts that defeat them.

based on something that I have already tried and achieved great success.

Yes. But *not* everything that was successful for you is successful for the special case *.php.net. Obviously you don't consider this.

Just an hint, pay more attention. You are missing the whole point because you are so obcessed with contradicting that you do not see the fact. Never mind, I am not going to try to explain myself again. If you do not get the point, read my messages again more carefully. -- Regards, Manuel Lemos