Re: Plans for pear.php.net

Hello, On 09/26/2002 06:11 AM, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote:

Björn Schotte wrote:

* Manuel Lemos wrote:

Bjorn, I did not invent anything I applied principles of basic human needs that are well known and learned in any marketing school.

If so, why does nobody want to apply your idea of HOF?

including those who've been in the higher ranks of the old "who fixes ..." list ... this kind of stuff leads to 'wrong' motivation, as you start to 'fix' bugs to get ahead of someone else on that list. this leads

Fixing more bugs is what we need.

to new bugs as 'fixes' are sometimes done in a hurry and stuff like that (aka fugbixing instead of bug fixing), and seeing that the top people are in the thousands while you hardly ever reach the hundred, well, it is not *that* motivating

That is simple to solve. Look in this page and you will see not only the all time top charts, but also the last week top charts. http://www.phpclasses.org/browse.html/top/top.html Sure newcomers will hardly get very high soon in the all time charts but they have great chance to feature in the week or month top charts.

bugfixing has to be taken serious, if you are in doubt whether a patch really fixes the issue you should share your ideas or even leave it alone and have someone else fix it. having things like a "bugfixers scorelist" or even a "hall of fame" is contra productive in this case as it is more about fixing egos then bugs

That is FUD. There is no evidence that people will just fix bugs without sharing their intentions. As a matter of fact there is no way a fix can go unnoticed because people can watch the CVS list that shows the diffs of the patches. If someone has a problem with a fix, an objection is raised. That happens all the time. As a matter of fact a year ago I talked with Zak Greant who was willing to enforce extreme programming methods. That means that nobody would fix bugs alone. For every bug that was fixed there would be a at least one partner double checking what he has done to make sure no garbage no poor fix goes unnoticed. And big fixers and watchers would exchange roles regularly. Of course to make this work, there is the need to call substantially more people that would have be very motivated. The bug fixers all of fame would help a lot to make that happen.

sure, we are always in demand for new bug hunters and fixers, but we prefer to have less contributors, but with the right motivation than with just *some* motivation

We? Who are we? The elite again? Hartmut, many people already contribute to PHP to get recognition. The motivation is the same, but some people need to be teased to give the forward step. Having their names exposed somewhere is a frequent motive for many developers to participat, including those that fix bugs. Making an hall of fame of bug fixers would just be a catalyser. Make it appear in the mailing list once in a while and you see it boost! -- Regards, Manuel Lemos