Re: [PHP4BETA] PEAR (was: php and MS SQL Server....)

Hello Paul, On 02-Mar-00 22:20:52, you wrote: >At 7:40 PM -0200 2000-03-02, Manuel Lemos wrote: >> >about. If people don't want to let others have access, they don't need >> >to >>>put their code into PEAR. We won't force anybody. >> >>You and your Open Source mania. Just because you have put PHP in Open >>Source it doesn't mean that it is right to coerce people to do the same. >They're not coercing anybody. No one is forced to contribute to PEAR. Right, but if you are willing to, you have to make your code Open Source and put it under their CVS repository. They claim it will be like CPAN, but this way it doesn't. They are misleading people here and I feel I just can't sit watching without at least raising pertinent questions. >If they were, your argument might have some merit. If you don't like >the arrangements, you don't submit code. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it >seems as simple as that. Exactly. I am here just raising the questions to have the answers. And >>The way you you are putting it Open Source follow the communist model. >>Follow me and tell me where it doesn't match: If you want to be part of >>the community, you have to give in your code or else you won't be accepted >>in. >Every community has rules or guidelines. As far as I can tell, you're >saying you don't like those guidelines and that they should adopt the ones >you prefer instead. In other words, you don't like the guidelines and don't >want them imposed on you, so instead you want to impose yours on them. >I guess I don't see how what you want is any different than what you are >objecting to. I am not imposing any guidelines because I have no control over PEAR development. I just want to make clear that some requirements that don't interest me are being pushed, I am not willing to contribute and I suspect that others won't want to contribute either that way. >What I don't get about this flurry of messages in which you're expressing >your objections, is that you already have your own repository, and one >that appears to be fairly successful. I assume that you intend to continue >this repository, so why is it an issue whether or not PEAR exists? First because it is duplicating efforts unnecessarily. I don't command anybody, but I feel that could just use the time and the effort to do other things that PHP community could benefit and sanction not only my repository but also others by helping promiting them. As I mentioned in my previous message, I already took the initiative to bring together PHP valuable content site providers to start taking initiatives that would be mutually beneficial and would help the PHP community to grow, like exchanging each other site banners. Nobody from the core developers showm despite they were explicitly called in a public message. It's a kind of hopeless and frustrating initiative probably because of the NIH syndrom (read my previous message). :-( >>>real requirement to have all PEAR modules live in the PHP code base. You >>>could for example make all your classes PEAR compatible and distribute >>>them separately with a simple install script that sticks them into the >>>right place so people can do a 'use blah'. This stuff is making your life >>>easier, not harder. I really don't understand what you are bickering >>>about. >> >>This is good. What I don't want is to have to give up the control of the >>development of my code to have it accepted in PHP code base. >Is that the basic issue for you? You want control over your code. Right. >Here again, you want to make the rules - no one can contribute to the >development of your code without your permission. I believe I have that right over my work, yes. >So, basically, you're not really that interested in collaborative development >unless you get to call the shots? But of course. As I explained before my work is based on many ready to use components that I developed. I just can't let go the development of my code out of my control. That doesn't mean I am not interested in contributions, fixes, suggestions, etc. That doesn't mean I am not interested in contributing with my code to PEAR, but in the terms it is done in CPAN, not with this CVS silly idea and requiring contributions to be made Open Source first, I don't know any code repository that requires that. Anyway, PEAR has been adverstised as a CPAN for PHP. CPAN is neither about collaborative development, but centralized distribution of conformant code. Regards, Manuel Lemos Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?user=mlemos@acm.org -- E-mail: mlemos@acm.org URL: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ PGP key: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ManuelLemos.pgp --