Re: php vs cold fusion

I agree with Rasthmus here - I'm one of those college kids with "PHP knowledge", although writing scripts for a media metrix top 500 site probably doesn't qualify as "light knowledge" ;O) We have a C programmer, a DB guru, and me in the middle - the PHP guru (I like to think of myself that way ;o) and we all bring something to the table when it comes to programming. Seth (the db guy) yells at me for my not-as-perfect-as-his SQL, Jer (the C guy) give teaches me about bitmasks (not covered in my CIS programming classes ;o) and other *NIX C tricks that work in PHP, I sit in the middle and input what I can where I can as far as PHP goes. It's a good balance we have. --Joe PS to all those hardcoding CFM by hand - I'm sorry I apologize that you have to code it in any way :O) On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:09:25AM +0900, Maxim Maletsky wrote: > You're right Rasmus, > Logically it is so, but when you invest in an employee you want him to know > it already, and not blame you for not training him enough. A C programmer > for my team is not as useful as a college student who has the words "light > knowledge of PHP" in his resume. > > That how it works for my team at least. > > Maxim Maletsky. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@linuxcare.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:19 AM > To: Joe Stump > Cc: Kulkarni, Vikram; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion > > > Don't be too worried about finding programmers with PHP experience. If > you can find programmers with C or Perl experience you don't need to look > any further. PHP is not a new a revolutionary scripting language that > needs PHP-specific experience. > > -Rasmus > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Joe Stump wrote: > > > One note about "programming" in CFM - how many people do you know that can > > hardcode CFM by hand? No one! You need the friggin' editor to use it - if > you > > call that knowledge then I'll take PHP :O) > > > > But your argument has substance - I know that I work with a couple of > quality > > ubergeeks who can code PHP like no other - and I thank my lucky stars > everyday! > > > > > > --Joe > > > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 05:53:47PM -0500, Kulkarni, Vikram wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > If PHP isn't already, I feel it will soon be a superior tool for server > side > > > coding than many other languages including CFM. However, CFM has a wide > > > support base via a commerical organization. PHP is getting this too, > but > > > one real problem with PHP is the lack of PHP knowledgable programmers. > I > > > can feel the PHP ranks growing and once the "boss-man" sees a reasonable > > > size supply of people to work on his storehouse of internal PHP code, he > may > > > adopt it outright. Until then who can blame folks for "buying in" to > > > commercial solutions that have a decent supply of talent to back it up. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > It is the old chicken-and-egg problem. Programmers aren't getting > trained > > > in PHP because there are no jobs; and there are no jobs..... > > > > > > I searched dice.com's New York site for PHP and I found 48 refererences. > I > > > searched for Cold Fusion and I found 196 references. Go figure. > > > > > > Vikram Kulkarni > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > * > > > This message may contain privileged and confidential information. 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