Re: php vs cold fusion

PS Jer is the C coder at work I was talking about - he noticed it was my email about halfway through this one ;o) --Joe On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 06:31:02PM -0800, jeremy brand wrote: > I agree. We have the same set-up here. Not everyone has learned php as their first language. > All of us at one point or another have been C coders -- with the love for the web. Turns out, PHP > is the greatest thing ever for doing programming on the web, quickly. Hands down. In my experience, > with old ssi, perl, C and server sider java, PHP is the winner in these categories: > > 1) bringing web aplications to life. > 2) doing it quicker than with the other tools. > 3) Because our servers are unix, we don't get the > BSOD. > 4) It is real, right now -- not vapor ware. > 5) It is open source -- there is no cost to entry. > 6) It does the job. We serve over 1,000,000 dynamic > page view a day. > 7) It is fully documented. (Need I mention, the > documentation is open also?) > 8) It is also my new favorite scripting language. > I write all my (complicated) shell scripts in PHP now. > 9) It talks to nearly every DB under the sun, natively. > 10) 'nough for now... > > Of course these are the oppinions of Jeremy Brand > and as such, if you don't agree, I don't care... ;) > > Take care, > -jeremy brand > > --- Joe Stump <joe@earth.care2.com> > > wrote: > >I agree with Rasthmus here - I'm one of those college kids with "PHP > >knowledge", > >although writing scripts for a media metrix top 500 site probably doesn't > >qualify as "light knowledge" ;O) > > > >We have a C programmer, a DB guru, and me in the middle - the PHP guru (I like > >to think of myself that way ;o) and we all bring something to the table when it > >comes to programming. Seth (the db guy) yells at me for my not-as-perfect-as-his > >SQL, Jer (the C guy) give teaches me about bitmasks (not covered in my CIS > >programming classes ;o) and other *NIX C tricks that work in PHP, I sit in the > >middle and input what I can where I can as far as PHP goes. > > > >It's a good balance we have. > > > >--Joe > > > >PS to all those hardcoding CFM by hand - I'm sorry I apologize that you have to > >code it in any way :O) > > > >On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:09:25AM +0900, Maxim Maletsky wrote: > >> You're right Rasmus, > >> Logically it is so, but when you invest in an employee you want him to know > >> it already, and not blame you for not training him enough. A C programmer > >> for my team is not as useful as a college student who has the words "light > >> knowledge of PHP" in his resume. > >> > >> That how it works for my team at least. > >> > >> Maxim Maletsky. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@linuxcare.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:19 AM > >> To: Joe Stump > >> Cc: Kulkarni, Vikram; php-general@lists.php.net > >> Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion > >> > >> > >> Don't be too worried about finding programmers with PHP experience. If > >> you can find programmers with C or Perl experience you don't need to look > >> any further. PHP is not a new a revolutionary scripting language that > >> needs PHP-specific experience. > >> > >> -Rasmus > >> > >> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Joe Stump wrote: > >> > >> > One note about "programming" in CFM - how many people do you know that > >> > can > >> > hardcode CFM by hand? No one! You need the friggin' editor to use it - if > >> you > >> > call that knowledge then I'll take PHP :O) > >> > > >> > But your argument has substance - I know that I work with a couple of > >> quality > >> > ubergeeks who can code PHP like no other - and I thank my lucky stars > >> everyday! > >> > > >> > > >> > --Joe > >> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 05:53:47PM -0500, Kulkarni, Vikram wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > If PHP isn't already, I feel it will soon be a superior tool for server > >> side > >> > > coding than many other languages including CFM. However, CFM has a wide > >> > > support base via a commerical organization. PHP is getting this too, > >> but > >> > > one real problem with PHP is the lack of PHP knowledgable programmers. > >> I > >> > > can feel the PHP ranks growing and once the "boss-man" sees a > >> > > reasonable > >> > > size supply of people to work on his storehouse of internal PHP code, he > >> may > >> > > adopt it outright. Until then who can blame folks for "buying in" > >> > > to > >> > > commercial solutions that have a decent supply of talent to back it up. > >> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > >> > > It is the old chicken-and-egg problem. Programmers aren't getting > >> trained > >> > > in PHP because there are no jobs; and there are no jobs..... > >> > > > >> > > I searched dice.com's New York site for PHP and I found 48 > >> > > refererences. > >> I > >> > > searched for Cold Fusion and I found 196 references. 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