RE: [PHP] php vs cold fusion

Think of this scenario: a $$$_client_$$$ pays us to develop and host their website. He WILL ask us to do some changes later-on (usually staff like to add some more info or to change some parts of legal notices etc..) once site is up he goes to a dedicated clients-only site, selects his website, a page of interest, pulls the data out and modifies it as he needs. (and it's all the database) After that he still thinks that he submitted the changes to us via email or something and we are taking our time to make his EVIL changes :-)) we get $$$ because they often don't even realize that it is all dynamic. "How can it be"- they say "I wasn't asking for any C++ application" :-))) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Stump [mailto:joe@earth.care2.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:19 AM To: Maxim Maletsky Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion > All I ment is that PHP is the best for Web Development Business. Ooooohhhhhh!!!! Well yeah that was a given ;o) --Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Stump [mailto:joe@earth.care2.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:13 AM > To: Maxim Maletsky > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion > > > I agree with Rasthmus here - I'm one of those college kids with "PHP > knowledge", > although writing scripts for a media metrix top 500 site probably doesn't > qualify as "light knowledge" ;O) > > We have a C programmer, a DB guru, and me in the middle - the PHP guru (I > like > to think of myself that way ;o) and we all bring something to the table when > it > comes to programming. Seth (the db guy) yells at me for my > not-as-perfect-as-his > SQL, Jer (the C guy) give teaches me about bitmasks (not covered in my CIS > programming classes ;o) and other *NIX C tricks that work in PHP, I sit in > the > middle and input what I can where I can as far as PHP goes. > > It's a good balance we have. > > --Joe > > PS to all those hardcoding CFM by hand - I'm sorry I apologize that you have > to > code it in any way :O) > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:09:25AM +0900, Maxim Maletsky wrote: > > You're right Rasmus, > > Logically it is so, but when you invest in an employee you want him to > know > > it already, and not blame you for not training him enough. A C programmer > > for my team is not as useful as a college student who has the words "light > > knowledge of PHP" in his resume. > > > > That how it works for my team at least. > > > > Maxim Maletsky. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@linuxcare.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:19 AM > > To: Joe Stump > > Cc: Kulkarni, Vikram; php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion > > > > > > Don't be too worried about finding programmers with PHP experience. If > > you can find programmers with C or Perl experience you don't need to look > > any further. PHP is not a new a revolutionary scripting language that > > needs PHP-specific experience. > > > > -Rasmus > > > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Joe Stump wrote: > > > > > One note about "programming" in CFM - how many people do you know that > can > > > hardcode CFM by hand? No one! You need the friggin' editor to use it - > if > > you > > > call that knowledge then I'll take PHP :O) > > > > > > But your argument has substance - I know that I work with a couple of > > quality > > > ubergeeks who can code PHP like no other - and I thank my lucky stars > > everyday! > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 05:53:47PM -0500, Kulkarni, Vikram wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > If PHP isn't already, I feel it will soon be a superior tool for > server > > side > > > > coding than many other languages including CFM. However, CFM has a > wide > > > > support base via a commerical organization. PHP is getting this too, > > but > > > > one real problem with PHP is the lack of PHP knowledgable programmers. > > I > > > > can feel the PHP ranks growing and once the "boss-man" sees a > reasonable > > > > size supply of people to work on his storehouse of internal PHP code, > he > > may > > > > adopt it outright. Until then who can blame folks for "buying in" to > > > > commercial solutions that have a decent supply of talent to back it > up. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > It is the old chicken-and-egg problem. Programmers aren't getting > > trained > > > > in PHP because there are no jobs; and there are no jobs..... > > > > > > > > I searched dice.com's New York site for PHP and I found 48 > refererences. > > I > > > > searched for Cold Fusion and I found 196 references. Go figure. > > > > > > > > Vikram Kulkarni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > * > > > > This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If > you > > > > think, for any reason, that this message may have been addressed to > you > > in > > > > error, you must not disseminate or copy this message, or use its > content > > > > as the basis for taking any action. 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It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand."