RE: [PHP] php vs cold fusion

Sweet Words! -----Original Message----- From: jeremy brand [mailto:jeremy@smackdown.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:31 AM To: Joe Stump; Maxim Maletsky Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion I agree. We have the same set-up here. Not everyone has learned php as their first language. All of us at one point or another have been C coders -- with the love for the web. Turns out, PHP is the greatest thing ever for doing programming on the web, quickly. Hands down. In my experience, with old ssi, perl, C and server sider java, PHP is the winner in these categories: 1) bringing web aplications to life. 2) doing it quicker than with the other tools. 3) Because our servers are unix, we don't get the BSOD. 4) It is real, right now -- not vapor ware. 5) It is open source -- there is no cost to entry. 6) It does the job. We serve over 1,000,000 dynamic page view a day. 7) It is fully documented. (Need I mention, the documentation is open also?) 8) It is also my new favorite scripting language. I write all my (complicated) shell scripts in PHP now. 9) It talks to nearly every DB under the sun, natively. 10) 'nough for now... Of course these are the oppinions of Jeremy Brand and as such, if you don't agree, I don't care... ;) Take care, -jeremy brand --- Joe Stump <joe@earth.care2.com> > wrote: >I agree with Rasthmus here - I'm one of those college kids with "PHP knowledge", >although writing scripts for a media metrix top 500 site probably doesn't >qualify as "light knowledge" ;O) > >We have a C programmer, a DB guru, and me in the middle - the PHP guru (I like >to think of myself that way ;o) and we all bring something to the table when it >comes to programming. Seth (the db guy) yells at me for my not-as-perfect-as-his >SQL, Jer (the C guy) give teaches me about bitmasks (not covered in my CIS >programming classes ;o) and other *NIX C tricks that work in PHP, I sit in the >middle and input what I can where I can as far as PHP goes. > >It's a good balance we have. > >--Joe > >PS to all those hardcoding CFM by hand - I'm sorry I apologize that you have to >code it in any way :O) > >On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:09:25AM +0900, Maxim Maletsky wrote: >> You're right Rasmus, >> Logically it is so, but when you invest in an employee you want him to know >> it already, and not blame you for not training him enough. A C programmer >> for my team is not as useful as a college student who has the words "light >> knowledge of PHP" in his resume. >> >> That how it works for my team at least. >> >> Maxim Maletsky. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@linuxcare.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:19 AM >> To: Joe Stump >> Cc: Kulkarni, Vikram; php-general@lists.php.net >> Subject: Re: [PHP] php vs cold fusion >> >> >> Don't be too worried about finding programmers with PHP experience. If >> you can find programmers with C or Perl experience you don't need to look >> any further. PHP is not a new a revolutionary scripting language that >> needs PHP-specific experience. >> >> -Rasmus >> >> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Joe Stump wrote: >> >> > One note about "programming" in CFM - how many people do you know that can >> > hardcode CFM by hand? No one! You need the friggin' editor to use it - if >> you >> > call that knowledge then I'll take PHP :O) >> > >> > But your argument has substance - I know that I work with a couple of >> quality >> > ubergeeks who can code PHP like no other - and I thank my lucky stars >> everyday! >> > >> > >> > --Joe >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 05:53:47PM -0500, Kulkarni, Vikram wrote: >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > If PHP isn't already, I feel it will soon be a superior tool for server >> side >> > > coding than many other languages including CFM. However, CFM has a wide >> > > support base via a commerical organization. PHP is getting this too, >> but >> > > one real problem with PHP is the lack of PHP knowledgable programmers. >> I >> > > can feel the PHP ranks growing and once the "boss-man" sees a reasonable >> > > size supply of people to work on his storehouse of internal PHP code, he >> may >> > > adopt it outright. Until then who can blame folks for "buying in" to >> > > commercial solutions that have a decent supply of talent to back it up. >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > > It is the old chicken-and-egg problem. Programmers aren't getting >> trained >> > > in PHP because there are no jobs; and there are no jobs..... >> > > >> > > I searched dice.com's New York site for PHP and I found 48 refererences. >> I >> > > searched for Cold Fusion and I found 196 references. Go figure. >> > > >> > > Vikram Kulkarni >> > > >> > > >> > > >> **************************************************************************** >> * >> > > This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you >> > > think, for any reason, that this message may have been addressed to you >> in >> > > error, you must not disseminate or copy this message, or use its content >> > > as the basis for taking any action. 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