Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct

Hi Stas. Stanislav Malyshev wrote:

If someone starts to put bad pressure on another person (harassment, insults, personal attacks, etc) trying to make this person either abandon an idea, RFC or even to force this person to leave the project, the attacker will most likely use non php.net's channel.

If somebody harasses the other person on Twitter, how exactly banning this person from internals list is going to make that stop?

Banning someone from the PHP project might well stop someone if they value their PHP participation over their personal vendetta. But if it doesn't, it at least signals that the PHP project does not accept harassment from its members, and does not want harassers in its community.

Saying that we "do not care" because it does not happen inside php.net would be very hypocrite and makes the CoC totally useless.I agree it

That assumes all the value of CoC lies exclusively in its punitive power. I though we are past that and all agreed that it is not the case.

A code of conduct without an enforcement mechanism is useless. It's very nice to be able to say that we don't condone harassment or abuse, or that personal attacks or publishing personal information are not acceptable, but if we can't enforce it, then it falls down the moment someone actually does one of these things. In fact, it becomes worse than useless: you have a big, shining banner that says you have to be civil, yet people actually aren't. The point isn't to be 'punitive' anyway. You don't strip people of their contribution privileges to make them suffer. You do so because you either want to force them to think about their actions for a bit, or because you don't want them to cause any more trouble. Now, the statement that 'the value of a CoC lies exclusively in its punitive power' is, to an extent, true. A CoC is useful in and of itself, in that it tells people you care about creating a civil community. But if you don't actually do the work to keep the community to that standard, that value very quickly disappears. Thanks. -- Andrea Faulds https://ajf.me/